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you're locked into inception radio

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your tool in tonight vision radio

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exposing the truth one secret at a time

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prepare yourself as we explore the

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shadow worlds of suppressed history

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secret knowledge forbidden religion and

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shine a light on the conspiracies to

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but you know

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welcome to night vision radio

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good evening everybody thanks so much

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for joining us this evening we got a lot

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of good information to cover tonight

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want to make a couple little

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announcements well resident an

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announcement just want to kind of give a

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hello out to all my old friends and

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relatives in Oklahoma that went through

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some crazy weather yesterday they had

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several tornadoes in the Tulsa area and

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unbelievably another tornado hit Moore

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Oklahoma which as many of you know it's

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been the site of a you know the f5

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tornado several years ago and then a

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couple years ago we got hit again by a

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really strong tornado and it has become

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the news for sure tornado alley so our

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thoughts go out to all the people in

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Oklahoma particularly in more in tulsa

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and Sand Springs Oklahoma lost one

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gentleman and lots of people were

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injured but for the most part most

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everyone was fine and everyone took

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shelter the the sirens worked well so

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we're thankful for that including my mom

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she was in her closet she has a

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fortified little area there where she

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lives in her apartment so I was really

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happy to hear that she had taken shelter

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and he also want to note the passing of

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someone it's some more sad news this

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week Helene Olson she's psychic medium

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and you might have also heard her on the

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radio program supernatural girls with

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Patricia Baker and Becky andreasen and

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Helene had pancreatic cancer and she

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passed i believe it was yesterday i

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could be wrong on that but i also wanted

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to note that i had received information

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that a memorial service for Helene will

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be held on sunday March 29th at 11am in

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Salem Massachusetts at these two Netsky

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hymens and memorial chapels at 10 been

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in street and is a jewish service so

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flowers are not permitted if you have

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any questions regarding cards or

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donations please contact nancy at

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court at Tanya Gabriel calm and I'm

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going to spell that support at TA and IA

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gabr Iella calm so wishing the best for

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Helens family and friends and no she's

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in a much better place now I also wanted

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to chat a little bit now I think I'm

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going to bring my guest in on this

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conversation since you know

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coincidentally she happens to be in

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France where the plane crash took place

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where not she wasn't where it took place

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but she's in France the country where

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the Germanwings plane crash took place

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so i'm going to introduce my guests now

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and we're going to get into some really

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amazing information about her research

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and her own personal adventures and life

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in her books but i thought i'd bring her

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there's a different take on the ground

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for what went on so i would like to

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introduce my gasps she's authored

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also known as Anika Carmen's and she's

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from southern France and she is a rental

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chateau researcher in also researcher

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all ancient mysteries so good evening or

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good morning to you Jean good morning

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how are you Ivan find them a little bit

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sleepy but I offer I have to apologize

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once again I'm always bothering someone

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over there at its hour you know I've had

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everybody you know and they all are so

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good to get up and actually spend some

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time with us here so we really we really

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appreciate that but you know talking

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about this Germanwings flight that went

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news that the Marseilles prosecutor has

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toilet yeah I mean that brings up all

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a result of this kind of issue but you

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terrorism because whether or not we know

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crashing of the plane we don't know

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anything about him yet but regardless of

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love affair and decided to kill himself

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emotions to do so regardless of that had

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of terrorism which did then result in

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the change in the security of these

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agree there's never a plan B in such

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cases that's right and I mean all right

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off the air you have been trying to

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monitor the the news in Europe as as the

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news in the United States about it as

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bit different stories sometimes it's not

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exactly the same news or we'll get more

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information if we shop around and and

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but it looks like that on this

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particular case we are getting the

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that they have in it was very surprising

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that we've gotten as much information as

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quickly as we did generally when these

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things happen you don't hear much about

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everybody's speculating and wondering

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and I and I might be bringing up a sore

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subject for some people i don't know

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where it might be politically incorrect

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years old and I'm wondering you know I

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much less emotional we get as we mature

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of the plane but it just was the

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unfortunate act of the pilot taking a

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break as I'm sure he's done a million

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that monitors sorry his emotional state

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that if you know if somebody says oh my

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God he's you know very very unstable

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he's been unstable lately or he had he's

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Lufthansa said you know right off the

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bat we've had no problem was this guy

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psychological side yeah that's what I

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something they'll probably be looking

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examining all kinds of ways but right

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and loved ones of the victims and just I

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lost loved ones in yet another air

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tragedy but let's get right into some of

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your material now before we even get

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started Oh someone actually in the chat

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room Dean said he suffered with

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depression the airline knew this it's in

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know that they said that he had been in

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training and they he had taken a leave

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from training and then gone back and

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depression so I guess we'll wait for

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that story to unfold but before we get

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into your material I want to give out

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your website so that people can sort of

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look look through it as we talk now it's

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Jean duty calm and that's j e a and n e

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AO UT calm and i'm going to put they you

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UT calm I'm so sorry I'm gonna put that

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correctly in the chat room so that

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people can see it and just click on it

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okay well thank you so much so now we

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know that you've written a couple of

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books about your various

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periences and your own research now I

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know that you live in southwest France

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and you grew up in the Netherlands so

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can you just first of all give us a

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little background on you and in what

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your specific connection is to that area

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well it all started when when I was very

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young I had an argument in the class

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with my teacher and this was this was a

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bible class and I heard somebody there

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we were talking about something and then

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my teacher said something completely the

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opposite in the week after so I raised

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my finger and I said sir that's not what

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you said last week so I was sent out of

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cars it was a very tricky subject

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because he couldn't answer the question

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so the moment that I came home and my

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father found out that I had been sent

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out of class he said why have you been

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sent out of class what would a nurse

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have you done and I said well give me a

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out whether it's true or not so I did

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that with math and I do that with

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geography and so I've always be become

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the person who wanted to know whether it

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was true I what you get at school and

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what you get in the news and everything

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I became suspicious and when you become

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suspicious at such a young age it will

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take over your entire life you know and

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so the thing that I did it was research

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everything I researched history and I

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found out very very quickly that history

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the real true history is not in plain

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sight you know you get that in history

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books and you know that's only the

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surface and there is so much underneath

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the surface and usually the stuff that's

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underneath the surface is the most

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interesting because that will get you

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back to a much older civilization it'll

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get you back to

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ancient techniques ancient knowledge and

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it will make you understand life as it

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is at the moment and the civilization we

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are having at the moment and how you can

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change it and use the old techniques to

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change it and this is also how I found

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out about Gnosticism I didn't really

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like them the strong parts of

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Christianity in which you are you know

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you have to believe in the devil and

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inhale and in stuff like that and I was

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like I don't think that you know God

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would be so you know since parking evil

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you know did you make people to kill

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people in the desert and you know this

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might the enemy if I was I felt a little

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bit more lighter about the divinity of

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of God and I thought the earth that it's

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it's cool you know you live you

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experience and you die and you move on I

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believed in reincarnation from a very

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early age onward so that's what kept me

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into those tracks and you know when you

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were saying that about that you didn't

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like the hard parts that you know the

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they let's kill our enemies and all that

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I I immediately got a vivid image in my

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mind of the cathedral at albi oen you

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know that place i'm sure in albi France

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you know this is sort of the central

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location for the Albigensian Crusades or

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the Cathar Crusades as some know them by

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and when you go into that church it's a

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gorgeous blue decor but when you you do

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get a very heavy feeling there and that

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is where some of the Cathars were

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interviewed or tortured upstairs and

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then if you've noticed that mural at the

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altar of those people burning in hell

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yeah do you remember that joint it's one

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of those things that's also with the

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torture

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that it was divinely inspired to have to

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allow torture you know the Dominicans

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used torture and this is not just

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torture you know you were not really

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allowed to draw blood so they cooked

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your feet or they you know they burned

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parts of you or they they cracked you or

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they pulled you apart just because you

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know they stopped just before you were

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supposed to go and bleed and so they

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allowed all that pain they allowed all

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that torture in the name of God which

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really betrays that they are not working

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for the big fella you know they're not

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because it would be then the the whole

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situation would have been much more

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tender much more Essien much more cos

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are much more since Francis of Assisi

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and you know these are the people that

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know that it's service and humility and

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conduct and love that are the tools of

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the divinity and you know it's it's

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humanity playing around with feelings

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and thoughts and theories and then some

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some civilizations they have this choice

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of religion and sometimes the religion

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is harsh and sometimes the religion is

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less harsh but I don't think religion is

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ever the answer religion is another word

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for rule and I think we should think of

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spirituality as the real connection to

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God and spirituality immediately is a

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total image it doesn't exclude anybody

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you know when you're Christian right and

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you will exclude everything else you

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will not want to hear anything from the

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Islam you don't want to hear anything

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from Buddhism you don't want to hear

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anything from any other religion because

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you're Christian you know you exclude

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yourself from the rest of the world and

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there are rules to be picked

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you know all religions have their pearls

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and you would be left out of thoughts

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and I think spiritualism is a much

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better word like if you're a

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spiritualist you will pick from every

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religion the pearls that lift you up and

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make you a better person and the soul

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growth is about becoming a better person

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and this is also about accepting things

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and moving on and growing and also pre

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could become pure between the years yes

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yeah I mean I obviously we find a lot of

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wars in the name of religion and I think

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it was Dawkins that that said something

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about you know just imagine you know

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like if this world were completely wiped

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out and a new civilization develops and

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they develop their own religions and

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philosophies they'll be completely

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different than what we know now they

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would not come up with the same because

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they are human constructs I mean there

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are wonderful spiritual things and I'm

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not taking anything away from as you

402
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said people like the Essenes and the

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Cathars and others in Jesus and in

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people you know figures of great

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magnitude like that but they're not the

406
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ones that constructed the religious

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structures that was done after them by

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people who were making decisions for

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their own possible agendas you know so

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it wasn't Jesus that created

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Christianity no no it was the people

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that came after and basically they sort

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of used Jesus I believe yeah for their

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own purposes you know and I know that's

415
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probably upsetting to a lot of people

416
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and I do apologize for that and I

417
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wouldn't want to criticize anyone's face

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but it's just I mean I think really the

419
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more history you know Jean the kind of

420
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more you really have to accept that

421
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it's not always a good thing that

422
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religion thing sure and the nice thing

423
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to do is when you have them there's

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always a group of people who want to

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know more you know people like me you

426
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have from early age onwards been a

427
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little bit doubtful and then you can go

428
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back to the source because we are living

429
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in this miraculous time that you go into

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a library and you read up on is Eric

431
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things you can read up on hermetic

432
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teachings you can read up on those ISM

433
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and you will not get burned for it yet

434
00:22:03,960 --> 00:21:59,289
oh you can still if you are interested

435
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if you're curious to the source of the

436
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first century teaching you know if you

437
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really want to know the pure source of

438
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the first century teaching the teachings

439
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that Jesus was teaching then you have to

440
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go back to that first century you have

441
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to get rid of all the additions that

442
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were added to it in the centuries after

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especially after Constantine the Great

444
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in the fourth century who added so many

445
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dogmas and doctrines you know if you if

446
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you're really truly interested in what

447
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it all comes from and what the what

448
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Jesus was all about then you have to go

449
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to that first century and you get tired

450
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we have the Liberty the luck and the

451
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Liberty to go into a library and really

452
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in an investigation and learn and go

453
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back to that source that's right and I

454
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mean I think if you could get your hands

455
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on a Bible that was you know translated

456
00:23:03,690 --> 00:23:01,960
from the original Greek you get a much

457
00:23:06,260 --> 00:23:03,700
clearer picture even though it's still

458
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:06,270
translated and it probably are some

459
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changes at least what what we're used to

460
00:23:13,950 --> 00:23:12,039
seeing the books that were used to

461
00:23:15,930 --> 00:23:13,960
seeing at least it would be a truer

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00:23:17,549 --> 00:23:15,940
version of those particular books and

463
00:23:20,210 --> 00:23:17,559
then of course as we know there are lots

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of other ones that have come to light

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some and just recent years not not too

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long ago that people you know 50 years

467
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ago didn't have the luxury of

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being able to peruse but i think that

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the closer as you said that we can get

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back to the original the clearer picture

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I mean it just makes sense doesn't it

472
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you first have to learn the politics in

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the first century what was going on what

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was the code people were writing in

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because they were also not writing the

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way we were we are writing they're not

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writing one hundred percent fractional

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00:24:06,299 --> 00:24:03,640
history they were writing in codes so

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you have to get into the political

480
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structure and what was going on and the

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00:24:15,450 --> 00:24:13,150
Roman rule that was in that area and if

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you would read for instance the Gospel

483
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of Thomas which is very very pure it

484
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doesn't have too many deeds in there it

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has a lot of words in there it's very

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pure oh yeah it's my very favorite my

487
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very very favorite there's it's it's so

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rich in information and I believe if i'm

489
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:40,720
not mistaken most Bible scholars tend to

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agree that of all things written that

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00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:47,049
the gospel of thomas is probably the

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closest to what Jesus actually said yes

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absolutely I believe that yep I am I

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read it for the first time when I was

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very young and I couldn't understand it

496
00:25:05,130 --> 00:25:02,140
very well and then when I joined the

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00:25:07,169 --> 00:25:05,140
armed work Rose cushions and school of

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some epic teachings they teach you the

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hermetica how it works and the whole

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thing so and several years afterwards I

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read read the Gospel of Thomas and I

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suddenly understood everything so I know

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00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:21,970
it's her medic teaching so I yelled

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Jesus was actually teaching people the

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hermetic teachings and for me that was

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such a proof of this and I already

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00:25:37,620 --> 00:25:34,960
thought that but I had to experience it

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for myself to be able to understand it

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fully yeah absolutely I agree one

510
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hundred percent it's funny how

511
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you know you came to this information in

512
00:25:54,210 --> 00:25:52,210
one way and I I and I'm so many others

513
00:25:57,210 --> 00:25:54,220
you know come to it through different

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00:25:59,700 --> 00:25:57,220
ways and but it's kind of all leading in

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00:26:01,800 --> 00:25:59,710
the same direction I know our good

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00:26:04,770 --> 00:26:01,810
friend Henry Lincoln always says one

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door is all that's needed you know so

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you might go in a different door than I

519
00:26:12,660 --> 00:26:09,610
might choose but we're all it's there

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00:26:15,210 --> 00:26:12,670
all the door in there all the door in so

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it's really really cool stuff we're

522
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going to take a break here for just a

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couple minutes and here's some words

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from the station and then we'll be back

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with my guest jean suit AKA Annika

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00:26:33,330 --> 00:26:30,790
hormones and we shall delve into some

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really cool mysteries and some dark

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mysteries we talked about the Nazis can

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576
00:29:55,549 --> 00:29:53,520
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577
00:29:58,280 --> 00:29:55,559
host Renee Barnett I'm talking with

578
00:30:01,520 --> 00:29:58,290
author researcher and adventurer Jean

579
00:30:05,180 --> 00:30:01,530
boot and we are talking about her books

580
00:30:07,220 --> 00:30:05,190
and which are fictional are

581
00:30:10,220 --> 00:30:07,230
fictionalized I should say because they

582
00:30:14,810 --> 00:30:10,230
are very much rooted in her very real

583
00:30:19,310 --> 00:30:14,820
research in her life so you know i saw

584
00:30:22,580 --> 00:30:19,320
you on a documentary interviewed i think

585
00:30:24,650 --> 00:30:22,590
it was a about Himmler and the Ark of

586
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:24,660
the Covenant and holy relics and how the

587
00:30:30,620 --> 00:30:28,170
Nazis were interested in those holy

588
00:30:32,690 --> 00:30:30,630
relics and I know that you have done

589
00:30:36,530 --> 00:30:32,700
some research into that and into the

590
00:30:38,210 --> 00:30:36,540
archaeologists called Otto Rahn yes that

591
00:30:40,930 --> 00:30:38,220
worked for him or I think he first

592
00:30:45,770 --> 00:30:40,940
worked for him unknowing lady didn't

593
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:45,780
realize who he was being hired by but

594
00:30:51,230 --> 00:30:47,760
then why don't or was or am I wrong

595
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:51,240
about that um well the first thing what

596
00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:54,960
he did was already in the late 1920s he

597
00:31:00,919 --> 00:30:58,050
had an interest of finding the Holy

598
00:31:04,130 --> 00:31:00,929
Grail and he had an idea he was inspired

599
00:31:07,910 --> 00:31:04,140
by Wolfram von Eschenbach spots evil and

600
00:31:10,100 --> 00:31:07,920
he was inspired to to talk to people

601
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:10,110
about this because he thought maybe the

602
00:31:14,900 --> 00:31:12,210
location of that Grail castle actually

603
00:31:18,260 --> 00:31:14,910
exists he was looking behind the truth

604
00:31:21,169 --> 00:31:18,270
behind the myths and he met somebody in

605
00:31:22,450 --> 00:31:21,179
in Paris and in Paris states that you

606
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:22,460
have to go to the languedoc-roussillon

607
00:31:27,230 --> 00:31:25,290
because that's where there is a castle

608
00:31:32,180 --> 00:31:27,240
called montségur and that might probably

609
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:32,190
be the castle of the Grail so off he

610
00:31:38,030 --> 00:31:34,559
went you know on the shoestring very

611
00:31:40,370 --> 00:31:38,040
very little money and this was beast

612
00:31:42,650 --> 00:31:40,380
before him leur you know this was on his

613
00:31:45,530 --> 00:31:42,660
own and the only thing is he was a

614
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:45,540
member of the tula society and a doula

615
00:31:52,460 --> 00:31:49,770
society wanted the use of germany to

616
00:31:55,010 --> 00:31:52,470
explore and discover and he was like a

617
00:31:58,030 --> 00:31:55,020
journalist making notes he was a writer

618
00:32:01,730 --> 00:31:58,040
already and he loves making

619
00:32:03,919 --> 00:32:01,740
he wanted to make documentaries and so

620
00:32:06,500 --> 00:32:03,929
he also had a couple of friends in the

621
00:32:09,710 --> 00:32:06,510
in film business this law in the late

622
00:32:13,010 --> 00:32:09,720
1920s early nineteen thirty so it's a

623
00:32:16,370 --> 00:32:13,020
long long time ago I know he was in his

624
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:16,380
20s at the time right yeah otto was born

625
00:32:24,290 --> 00:32:20,370
in 1904 so at that time he must have

626
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:24,300
been 25 when he started on that so very

627
00:32:31,820 --> 00:32:27,450
young young fella and he was a very

628
00:32:35,270 --> 00:32:31,830
joyful person he loved laughs and he was

629
00:32:38,060 --> 00:32:35,280
under fed so he's right then and he was

630
00:32:42,169 --> 00:32:38,070
looking for adventure and he's like a an

631
00:32:44,540 --> 00:32:42,179
Indiana Jones tiny character and so he

632
00:32:46,910 --> 00:32:44,550
went off to the south and he found

633
00:32:48,620 --> 00:32:46,920
months ago and he befriended a couple of

634
00:32:50,660 --> 00:32:48,630
people here in the region and he made a

635
00:32:52,850 --> 00:32:50,670
lot of notes and he started writing a

636
00:32:56,540 --> 00:32:52,860
book called crusade against the Grail

637
00:32:59,840 --> 00:32:56,550
and this this book when he published

638
00:33:03,500 --> 00:32:59,850
that book in 1933 that was his ticket

639
00:33:05,900 --> 00:33:03,510
into him Lewis office so when Himmler

640
00:33:08,990 --> 00:33:05,910
first read the book Himmler thought he

641
00:33:12,140 --> 00:33:09,000
could use him as a relic hunter because

642
00:33:14,750 --> 00:33:12,150
they were after relics and so he

643
00:33:20,020 --> 00:33:14,760
persuaded auto and you know you can't

644
00:33:23,150 --> 00:33:20,030
say no to Himmler so and also became a

645
00:33:25,370 --> 00:33:23,160
part of the algemeiner SS which means

646
00:33:29,270 --> 00:33:25,380
that he was not a soldier he was a

647
00:33:32,030 --> 00:33:29,280
researcher and he was commissioned to

648
00:33:34,250 --> 00:33:32,040
find ancient relics but he was also

649
00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:34,260
commissioned to do research for the

650
00:33:42,830 --> 00:33:38,880
Annan alba which means ancestor the

651
00:33:46,940 --> 00:33:42,840
ancestor bloodlines of certain high nazi

652
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:46,950
persons he had to go to certain cities

653
00:33:53,660 --> 00:33:49,890
and go into the files and find out all

654
00:33:57,169 --> 00:33:53,670
the bloodlines because when you are not

655
00:34:02,720 --> 00:33:57,179
a Jew you had to prove that by going

656
00:34:06,020 --> 00:34:02,730
back to the year 1750 and this is the

657
00:34:09,379 --> 00:34:06,030
paragraph also and in the law that they

658
00:34:11,540 --> 00:34:09,389
were making at that time so he has he

659
00:34:13,540 --> 00:34:11,550
was he was helping

660
00:34:16,460 --> 00:34:13,550
prove that you know people were of true

661
00:34:20,990 --> 00:34:16,470
Aryan blood yeah that was one of his

662
00:34:25,250 --> 00:34:21,000
tasks well and he was a you know we

663
00:34:27,230 --> 00:34:25,260
still have a couple of things that it's

664
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:27,240
very difficult to place all to Ron in a

665
00:34:32,060 --> 00:34:29,010
certain position because he did work

666
00:34:36,830 --> 00:34:32,070
with the the air and how do you call it

667
00:34:40,190 --> 00:34:36,840
the resistance and he had a couple of

668
00:34:43,970 --> 00:34:40,200
things a couple of friends inside that

669
00:34:46,610 --> 00:34:43,980
he he treated a little bit better the

670
00:34:49,700 --> 00:34:46,620
moment that he had his hands on it so at

671
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:49,710
one particular moment in time you know

672
00:34:54,860 --> 00:34:52,170
da how is one of the concentration camps

673
00:34:57,380 --> 00:34:54,870
that he was in and he he went in there

674
00:34:59,060 --> 00:34:57,390
voluntarily because a friend of his was

675
00:35:02,450 --> 00:34:59,070
in there and he wanted to make sure he

676
00:35:04,940 --> 00:35:02,460
was all right so it takes a lot of

677
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:04,950
courage to go into a concentration camp

678
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:07,650
strip yourself of your ranks so you're

679
00:35:13,340 --> 00:35:10,970
the lowest in rank there and he was

680
00:35:16,700 --> 00:35:13,350
thrown into the kitchen as a kitchen

681
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:16,710
help but at that moment he smiled

682
00:35:20,990 --> 00:35:18,480
because that's how we could make sure

683
00:35:24,890 --> 00:35:21,000
that his friend in the prison was

684
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:24,900
treated well and well fed and then when

685
00:35:31,010 --> 00:35:27,450
he came out again he he started writing

686
00:35:35,420 --> 00:35:31,020
his second book Lucifer court Lucifer's

687
00:35:38,780 --> 00:35:35,430
court which is about how the world has

688
00:35:41,900 --> 00:35:38,790
changed Lucifer Sofia the mother goddess

689
00:35:45,170 --> 00:35:41,910
into the devil very interesting book oh

690
00:35:48,110 --> 00:35:45,180
now you know I know you mentioned his

691
00:35:50,180 --> 00:35:48,120
book crusade against the Grail which was

692
00:35:53,690 --> 00:35:50,190
translated in english just a few years

693
00:35:56,330 --> 00:35:53,700
ago yeah and so I have a copy of that

694
00:36:00,530 --> 00:35:56,340
book i am not familiar with Lucifer's

695
00:36:03,650 --> 00:36:00,540
court i wonder if that is an English

696
00:36:06,530 --> 00:36:03,660
would you know yes yesterday oh good i'm

697
00:36:08,540 --> 00:36:06,540
going to have to find that one now he

698
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:08,550
was such an interesting interesting

699
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:11,130
character and he died at such a very

700
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:12,890
very young age and it's kind of

701
00:36:20,990 --> 00:36:17,130
mysterious circumstances but did you

702
00:36:24,260 --> 00:36:21,000
were you able to find out any more about

703
00:36:25,309 --> 00:36:24,270
his death I I think he was found dead in

704
00:36:28,849 --> 00:36:25,319
the snow

705
00:36:31,789 --> 00:36:28,859
yes yes there are a couple of theories

706
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:31,799
going on I've because I wrote white

707
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:36,690
light white lie is all about the first

708
00:36:43,059 --> 00:36:40,170
century secrets but also about Otto Rahn

709
00:36:47,390 --> 00:36:43,069
he's a very very important key figure in

710
00:36:50,930 --> 00:36:47,400
solving the Rhenish atoll enigma and so

711
00:36:53,930 --> 00:36:50,940
I had to dive into of around tragical

712
00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:53,940
life and I found out a couple of things

713
00:36:59,660 --> 00:36:56,640
and sighs I've written it all down in

714
00:37:03,439 --> 00:36:59,670
white line so his entire story to the

715
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:03,449
detail is in white light now I hurt you

716
00:37:12,049 --> 00:37:07,410
in that documentary say that otto rahn

717
00:37:15,170 --> 00:37:12,059
is the real Indiana Jones yeah yeah yeah

718
00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:15,180
yeah yeah I think he was he was one of

719
00:37:20,420 --> 00:37:18,089
the role models for stillbirths film but

720
00:37:28,969 --> 00:37:20,430
um and of course it had to be

721
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:28,979
Americanized but Jim sure but um he he

722
00:37:33,859 --> 00:37:31,650
was such an interesting figure in like

723
00:37:36,109 --> 00:37:33,869
you said he was already looking into

724
00:37:38,779 --> 00:37:36,119
these mysteries before he was

725
00:37:40,489 --> 00:37:38,789
commissioned by Himmler he had already

726
00:37:45,199 --> 00:37:40,499
been to montségur if i'm not mistaken

727
00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:45,209
now didn't he feel that he was either a

728
00:37:50,599 --> 00:37:47,609
reincarnated Cathar or he was a

729
00:37:54,890 --> 00:37:50,609
descendant of the Cathars I think maybe

730
00:38:02,989 --> 00:37:54,900
both because his family he said was a

731
00:38:07,489 --> 00:38:02,999
heretic and that he felt that he was he

732
00:38:09,769 --> 00:38:07,499
was really a heretic he was not you know

733
00:38:12,009 --> 00:38:09,779
he didn't like Christianity as it was

734
00:38:14,779 --> 00:38:12,019
presented at that moment in time and

735
00:38:19,089 --> 00:38:14,789
although he was of Lutheran background

736
00:38:22,759 --> 00:38:19,099
and he was very very careful about

737
00:38:25,569 --> 00:38:22,769
pointing a finger but he did state his

738
00:38:28,789 --> 00:38:25,579
his mind you know and if you read loose

739
00:38:32,180 --> 00:38:28,799
know if you read the crusade against the

740
00:38:34,910 --> 00:38:32,190
Grail sorry then you will find out that

741
00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:34,920
he discovered the entire story of the

742
00:38:38,930 --> 00:38:37,529
Cathars and he was also the one who for

743
00:38:41,900 --> 00:38:38,940
the first time

744
00:38:43,819 --> 00:38:41,910
wrote it down in a book published it and

745
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:43,829
brought the whole story of the Cathars

746
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:46,650
outside of france if it hadn't been for

747
00:38:51,079 --> 00:38:48,810
all around it may have taken another

748
00:38:54,170 --> 00:38:51,089
couple of decades before that story

749
00:38:57,950 --> 00:38:54,180
would be told in the rest of the world

750
00:39:01,390 --> 00:38:57,960
oh that's so interesting I did not know

751
00:39:04,370 --> 00:39:01,400
that so he was the first one to sort of

752
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:04,380
disseminate that information to the rest

753
00:39:08,660 --> 00:39:06,240
of the world that's really really

754
00:39:11,329 --> 00:39:08,670
important I didn't know that he had a

755
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:11,339
very very big friend in Anthony Nadal

756
00:39:16,670 --> 00:39:14,250
Antonin kadhal was a very important

757
00:39:20,900 --> 00:39:16,680
person in living in auto lock in Osato

758
00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:20,910
or no luck and Antonia doll was also

759
00:39:29,780 --> 00:39:24,089
leading the Rosicrucians here in South

760
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:29,790
of France and he had a library and he

761
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:32,640
knew everything about the Cathars so

762
00:39:39,410 --> 00:39:36,480
also had heaven in his library he found

763
00:39:41,540 --> 00:39:39,420
heaven so he he was able to write his

764
00:39:46,309 --> 00:39:41,550
book based on all the historical

765
00:39:48,260 --> 00:39:46,319
accounts mmm-hmm you know it was

766
00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:48,270
interesting because you had mentioned

767
00:39:56,059 --> 00:39:51,089
earlier the the Essenes the Rosicrucians

768
00:39:59,359 --> 00:39:56,069
and the if there is a connection there

769
00:40:02,059 --> 00:39:59,369
isn't there between Rosicrucianism and

770
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:02,069
the a scene that was just this afternoon

771
00:40:06,740 --> 00:40:04,290
speaking on the phone with with our

772
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:06,750
friend Gloria a medulla and we were

773
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:10,530
talking about that very thing and it

774
00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:13,170
seems to be it's it's really interesting

775
00:40:17,870 --> 00:40:15,119
how all this stuff was squirreling

776
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:17,880
around that area all these things and

777
00:40:22,250 --> 00:40:20,490
there's there's connections to southwest

778
00:40:24,260 --> 00:40:22,260
France I think there's you know an

779
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:24,270
Egyptian connection there's an SN

780
00:40:28,970 --> 00:40:26,490
connection a Rosicrucian connection and

781
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:28,980
it's sort of like unraveling at all and

782
00:40:35,630 --> 00:40:31,410
you were talking about Otto Ron's

783
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:35,640
material being essential to the solution

784
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:38,130
of the regular Chateau enigma what did

785
00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:42,480
you mean by that ah well this is this is

786
00:40:48,770 --> 00:40:46,560
very very exciting because of course he

787
00:40:51,170 --> 00:40:48,780
had to produce a couple of things for

788
00:40:57,620 --> 00:40:53,930
chief you know you had to account for

789
00:41:00,319 --> 00:40:57,630
his stay and make sure that proof would

790
00:41:03,380 --> 00:41:00,329
be sent to Berlin that he was actually

791
00:41:05,450 --> 00:41:03,390
doing something there that was important

792
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:05,460
otherwise you couldn't stay but he was a

793
00:41:11,630 --> 00:41:07,440
Francophile and the Germans couldn't

794
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:11,640
understand how also loved France and so

795
00:41:15,799 --> 00:41:13,200
he was called back at a certain moment

796
00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:15,809
in time but autumn was doing anything

797
00:41:20,690 --> 00:41:18,089
you would do anything to stay in france

798
00:41:22,930 --> 00:41:20,700
and become french even if that would

799
00:41:26,030 --> 00:41:22,940
mean that they would you know stand

800
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:26,040
opposite the Germans at some point in

801
00:41:34,839 --> 00:41:30,690
time and but Otto was researching the

802
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:34,849
whole thousand region for possible

803
00:41:41,089 --> 00:41:37,920
interesting things like the minds and

804
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:41,099
the radioactive stones that were here

805
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:44,250
and this would get off of course a knee

806
00:41:50,420 --> 00:41:46,800
to come back for all those radioactive

807
00:41:52,490 --> 00:41:50,430
stones truckloads of stones they would

808
00:41:57,950 --> 00:41:52,500
want to bring to Germany because they

809
00:42:03,289 --> 00:41:57,960
were creating this massive weapon and of

810
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:03,299
course these trucks were attacked in a

811
00:42:10,099 --> 00:42:07,770
village between the center of France and

812
00:42:13,849 --> 00:42:10,109
Germany and that the village would be

813
00:42:16,970 --> 00:42:13,859
completely destroyed by the Germans as a

814
00:42:20,599 --> 00:42:16,980
revenge but that's another story but

815
00:42:24,250 --> 00:42:20,609
autorun he he really wanted to find the

816
00:42:27,980 --> 00:42:24,260
Grail he really wanted to find the true

817
00:42:29,930 --> 00:42:27,990
meaning behind everything he had gone

818
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:29,940
through so much suffering in his life

819
00:42:34,970 --> 00:42:32,640
and he knew that there was a certain

820
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:34,980
part of Christianity that was pure that

821
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:36,720
was based on something completely

822
00:42:44,049 --> 00:42:40,170
different and that was the heart the

823
00:42:48,289 --> 00:42:44,059
conduct and the Holy Grail in his

824
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:48,299
feelings it had something to do with the

825
00:42:53,059 --> 00:42:51,359
heart and the the Philosopher's Stone so

826
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:53,069
he was also searching for a stone a

827
00:42:59,240 --> 00:42:57,210
particular stone and this also leads to

828
00:43:01,450 --> 00:42:59,250
another stone called the bloodstone

829
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:01,460
which is something like a hematite and

830
00:43:05,109 --> 00:43:04,290
you put water on it and you damage it in

831
00:43:08,660 --> 00:43:05,119
please

832
00:43:11,509 --> 00:43:08,670
and they've called Bloodstones and they

833
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:11,519
in the time of the Cathars they may have

834
00:43:20,299 --> 00:43:16,650
used a large boulder and shaped it as a

835
00:43:23,660 --> 00:43:20,309
bowl and then used it for the easter

836
00:43:26,329 --> 00:43:23,670
ritual so you would have water poured

837
00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:26,339
inside damaged it and then it would turn

838
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:29,609
into blood no this is called the

839
00:43:36,699 --> 00:43:33,599
Pyrenean Grail and the search goes on

840
00:43:39,769 --> 00:43:36,709
there are so many little details that

841
00:43:41,900 --> 00:43:39,779
that are in occitania that makes

842
00:43:44,479 --> 00:43:41,910
occitania such an incredibly difficult

843
00:43:46,789 --> 00:43:44,489
place to understand because history here

844
00:43:49,579 --> 00:43:46,799
it's a melting pot but also many

845
00:43:53,269 --> 00:43:49,589
cultures have come through here so you

846
00:43:58,249 --> 00:43:53,279
have a mixture of all those religions

847
00:44:00,319 --> 00:43:58,259
ways of life cultures languages music

848
00:44:04,039 --> 00:44:00,329
everything has gone through here from

849
00:44:07,910 --> 00:44:04,049
pre stories present from the Visigoths

850
00:44:11,509 --> 00:44:07,920
to you yet the Druids are in yet enjoyed

851
00:44:13,549 --> 00:44:11,519
them maybe even older because I think a

852
00:44:19,249 --> 00:44:13,559
lot of the monuments here are older than

853
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:19,259
the Celts yes so we have this rich area

854
00:44:24,949 --> 00:44:22,410
which I wanted to write about in a book

855
00:44:26,779 --> 00:44:24,959
but make it simpler and that's the

856
00:44:29,269 --> 00:44:26,789
reason why i wrote white light because

857
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:29,279
when you're a tour guide here you do

858
00:44:35,449 --> 00:44:32,729
this in a week's time and you you cover

859
00:44:37,339 --> 00:44:35,459
one of the sites in the morning you

860
00:44:40,459 --> 00:44:37,349
cover another site in the afternoon and

861
00:44:43,099 --> 00:44:40,469
slowly and surely the coin will begin to

862
00:44:46,099 --> 00:44:43,109
fall and you will get the entire image

863
00:44:49,509 --> 00:44:46,109
of this region and its secrets by the

864
00:44:51,769 --> 00:44:49,519
end week and it's like a realized

865
00:44:53,569 --> 00:44:51,779
PowerPoint presentation that I've got

866
00:44:58,630 --> 00:44:53,579
here which is very difficult to put into

867
00:45:01,599 --> 00:44:58,640
half an hour but what you've got here is

868
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:01,609
the reason for my writing wide line

869
00:45:06,949 --> 00:45:04,170
because it was too much to put into

870
00:45:10,699 --> 00:45:06,959
guided tour and I wanted to share

871
00:45:12,949 --> 00:45:10,709
whatever I found with everybody you know

872
00:45:15,859 --> 00:45:12,959
even if you can't come here you can you

873
00:45:18,170 --> 00:45:15,869
can buy white lion and read up on all

874
00:45:18,500 --> 00:45:18,180
the stories and all the histories of the

875
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:18,510
read

876
00:45:25,700 --> 00:45:22,530
and then coming back to Otto Rahn he is

877
00:45:27,710 --> 00:45:25,710
a very very important link to the to the

878
00:45:31,130 --> 00:45:27,720
entire region because he was the one

879
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:31,140
that found the story of the Cathars he

880
00:45:39,530 --> 00:45:34,410
may links that other people may not have

881
00:45:43,100 --> 00:45:39,540
seen and so he's a very very important

882
00:45:45,500 --> 00:45:43,110
factor if you don't involve him in your

883
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:45,510
rental research you're missing out on a

884
00:45:51,830 --> 00:45:49,170
very very important clue whoa indeed now

885
00:45:55,700 --> 00:45:51,840
you know okay you said I think when he

886
00:45:58,820 --> 00:45:55,710
was about 25 you knows when he was down

887
00:46:03,230 --> 00:45:58,830
there in doing his research and then he

888
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:03,240
died 29 so he had precious little time

889
00:46:08,300 --> 00:46:05,760
you know but of course I'm sure he was

890
00:46:11,900 --> 00:46:08,310
researching it long before he ever

891
00:46:15,890 --> 00:46:11,910
arrived but do you think that there are

892
00:46:18,100 --> 00:46:15,900
things that he may have found and turned

893
00:46:24,290 --> 00:46:18,110
over to his benefactors that we don't

894
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:24,300
know about yet um well I think well

895
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:26,610
first of all he died in winning the one

896
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:31,290
he was 35 oh I'm sorry um this is in

897
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:33,890
them very young still gathering area

898
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:39,570
absolutely and I think he has made some

899
00:46:49,150 --> 00:46:45,930
political enemies and I think that those

900
00:46:52,970 --> 00:46:49,160
political enemies wanted him out way and

901
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:52,980
for a fact we know he was gay which is

902
00:47:00,290 --> 00:46:55,530
you know when you're in the SS it's not

903
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:00,300
handy Himmler sort of protected him for

904
00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:03,450
a while because they were I think they

905
00:47:09,290 --> 00:47:06,240
were related you know twice or three

906
00:47:12,860 --> 00:47:09,300
times removed and so Himmler sort of

907
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:12,870
felt like a protective uncle and so he

908
00:47:16,910 --> 00:47:15,330
tried to protect also and he said you

909
00:47:19,220 --> 00:47:16,920
know don't don't worry about the being

910
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:19,230
gay you know it's an illness you can

911
00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:22,050
cure it and stuff like that officer yeah

912
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:25,920
oh it's the Nazi period has been one of

913
00:47:32,270 --> 00:47:28,370
the freaks periods of song humanities

914
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:32,280
terrible but anyway so also was sad

915
00:47:37,820 --> 00:47:35,490
it was said to be punished for being gay

916
00:47:40,930 --> 00:47:37,830
as long as he wouldn't do it openly you

917
00:47:44,750 --> 00:47:40,940
know that was attract too much attention

918
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:44,760
but on the other side he also was partly

919
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:48,330
Jewish because his mother was Jewish so

920
00:47:55,060 --> 00:47:52,650
it it doesn't go back to 1750 for him it

921
00:47:59,240 --> 00:47:55,070
it went back to his mother already and

922
00:48:01,790 --> 00:47:59,250
his a grandfather from his mother side

923
00:48:04,220 --> 00:48:01,800
there were Jewish so he had a double

924
00:48:08,180 --> 00:48:04,230
problem and they found out it with the

925
00:48:11,810 --> 00:48:08,190
Gestapo they found out and his political

926
00:48:17,020 --> 00:48:11,820
enemies hired the Gestapo Jill hunt auto

927
00:48:20,690 --> 00:48:17,030
down and to force him into suicide but

928
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:20,700
wasn't he working for them well there

929
00:48:24,410 --> 00:48:22,800
are two different parties when Himmler

930
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:24,420
is not around he didn't have his

931
00:48:29,780 --> 00:48:26,930
protective uncle around him you know and

932
00:48:31,820 --> 00:48:29,790
exactly in the period before the war

933
00:48:37,790 --> 00:48:31,830
Himmler and Hitler were very very busy

934
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:37,800
people so in 1939 when Otto went to

935
00:48:44,510 --> 00:48:41,810
Berlin to explain why he wanted to

936
00:48:46,460 --> 00:48:44,520
resign because he wanted to resign he

937
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:46,470
didn't want to be part of the SS anymore

938
00:48:50,060 --> 00:48:48,330
he didn't like the way it was going he

939
00:48:53,180 --> 00:48:50,070
wanted permission to go and live in

940
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:53,190
France and that was denied but it would

941
00:48:57,710 --> 00:48:55,200
have just gone into the Schwarzwald and

942
00:49:00,170 --> 00:48:57,720
disappear you know he he didn't want to

943
00:49:03,860 --> 00:49:00,180
be part of the war he he didn't approve

944
00:49:05,330 --> 00:49:03,870
up and he hated what was going on older

945
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:05,340
all the things that were going on he

946
00:49:09,740 --> 00:49:08,010
hated it so much and he was actually

947
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:09,750
very very depressed and and shocked

948
00:49:15,620 --> 00:49:12,570
souza it was a victim of the system as

949
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:15,630
much as others and he was just trying to

950
00:49:21,830 --> 00:49:19,050
stay life and he wanted to escape he

951
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:21,840
wanted to go away from Berlin as far

952
00:49:27,590 --> 00:49:25,530
away as possible and so he resigned from

953
00:49:30,290 --> 00:49:27,600
the SS which is very bold you don't

954
00:49:33,620 --> 00:49:30,300
really resign you know feet first but

955
00:49:35,740 --> 00:49:33,630
not me walking out you know right Hitler

956
00:49:38,540 --> 00:49:35,750
actually said yes he approved of the

957
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:38,550
resignation and then he would come to

958
00:49:44,720 --> 00:49:40,890
Berlin to explain himself you know like

959
00:49:45,970 --> 00:49:44,730
why did I want to resign but it's very

960
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:45,980
difficult when you're in

961
00:49:52,780 --> 00:49:47,930
Lynn and you want to talk to people like

962
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:52,790
him ler in 1939 because 1939 was the

963
00:49:59,380 --> 00:49:54,770
year in which Himmler and Hitler was

964
00:50:01,300 --> 00:49:59,390
very very busy so he was dealt with very

965
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:01,310
very quickly by his political enemies

966
00:50:08,170 --> 00:50:04,490
and they hired the Gestapo to get rid of

967
00:50:12,070 --> 00:50:08,180
him hmm so he was trying to flee to

968
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:12,080
Italy or he was probably on his way to

969
00:50:20,140 --> 00:50:15,410
to Austria or something very very far

970
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:20,150
away from Berlin when he was pushed to

971
00:50:24,730 --> 00:50:22,730
into suicide because he was only 40

972
00:50:27,730 --> 00:50:24,740
kilometers from the bear hole where

973
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:27,740
Hitler was and he would probably want to

974
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:29,810
go there for Easter or something I'm

975
00:50:34,990 --> 00:50:33,170
just you know speculating mmm he was

976
00:50:39,670 --> 00:50:35,000
only 40 kilometers away from the bear

977
00:50:43,540 --> 00:50:39,680
cove when he was found dead so i have a

978
00:50:47,260 --> 00:50:43,550
feeling a gut feeling that he was he was

979
00:50:50,410 --> 00:50:47,270
pushed into suicide and i was there a

980
00:50:53,710 --> 00:50:50,420
cause of death was where a lot of see

981
00:50:57,130 --> 00:50:53,720
done at that time well in his buddy was

982
00:51:00,099 --> 00:50:57,140
already couple of months dead when they

983
00:51:02,530 --> 00:51:00,109
found him finally and they jump to

984
00:51:04,810 --> 00:51:02,540
conclusions when they found a couple of

985
00:51:08,050 --> 00:51:04,820
bottles of the sleeping pills and a

986
00:51:11,380 --> 00:51:08,060
bottle of some French cognac oh I see

987
00:51:13,930 --> 00:51:11,390
and then the night Frost would finish it

988
00:51:17,130 --> 00:51:13,940
off so he would probably have been deep

989
00:51:23,220 --> 00:51:17,140
deep deep asleep and frozen to death

990
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:23,230
right oh goodness that's very sad yeah

991
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:26,330
yeah it's one of the things in history

992
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:29,210
you know and that I think Otto Rahn was

993
00:51:35,590 --> 00:51:31,490
one of the Nazi victims rather than a

994
00:51:40,210 --> 00:51:35,600
Nazi and I've been trying to tell his

995
00:51:42,940 --> 00:51:40,220
story in a white lie oh I've always been

996
00:51:47,290 --> 00:51:42,950
very drawn to his story so that that is

997
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:47,300
a very interesting one it what do you

998
00:51:56,980 --> 00:51:52,730
think the interest was for him allure

999
00:51:59,859 --> 00:51:56,990
and Hitler in these ancient objects they

1000
00:52:02,980 --> 00:51:59,869
were they sorry go ahead

1001
00:52:06,430 --> 00:52:02,990
they were in TV a cult you know the

1002
00:52:10,660 --> 00:52:06,440
black magic sure they were using black

1003
00:52:13,630 --> 00:52:10,670
magic Himmler had a personal advisor and

1004
00:52:16,599 --> 00:52:13,640
I think that's when it all went wrong

1005
00:52:20,170 --> 00:52:16,609
because to make a crazy person even more

1006
00:52:22,450 --> 00:52:20,180
crazy you know is to persuade the person

1007
00:52:26,380 --> 00:52:22,460
to go into black magic and use the Force

1008
00:52:28,210 --> 00:52:26,390
to be powerful and successful and to do

1009
00:52:31,509 --> 00:52:28,220
everything on a certain moment in time

1010
00:52:35,609 --> 00:52:31,519
and to make sure that it would go

1011
00:52:42,549 --> 00:52:35,619
successfully everything was planned to a

1012
00:52:45,099 --> 00:52:42,559
very very precise cosmic happening so

1013
00:52:49,170 --> 00:52:45,109
they were very very deep into the occult

1014
00:52:52,630 --> 00:52:49,180
and they were building this huge castle

1015
00:52:56,319 --> 00:52:52,640
this Grail castle called vigils book

1016
00:53:01,079 --> 00:52:56,329
Vettel's Berg year so it's a very scary

1017
00:53:04,450 --> 00:53:01,089
looking close guys it's a it's

1018
00:53:07,390 --> 00:53:04,460
Antichrist the dark templars you know

1019
00:53:09,489 --> 00:53:07,400
that's the the the they weren't exactly

1020
00:53:11,799 --> 00:53:09,499
the other way they went into the black

1021
00:53:13,989 --> 00:53:11,809
something you know not some but the

1022
00:53:17,140 --> 00:53:13,999
Black Sun everything was dark everything

1023
00:53:19,569 --> 00:53:17,150
was them you know the the SS uniforms

1024
00:53:24,039 --> 00:53:19,579
were black and everything was very very

1025
00:53:26,950 --> 00:53:24,049
dark and they were really dancing on on

1026
00:53:29,739 --> 00:53:26,960
the doorstep of the devil here they were

1027
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:29,749
using those powers and they needed all

1028
00:53:34,839 --> 00:53:32,690
those relics of course when you believe

1029
00:53:36,789 --> 00:53:34,849
in the occult you believe in in in

1030
00:53:38,829 --> 00:53:36,799
material that is connected to the occult

1031
00:53:42,489 --> 00:53:38,839
so they wanted to spear of destiny so

1032
00:53:45,700 --> 00:53:42,499
they they that's why they had the young

1033
00:53:48,009 --> 00:53:45,710
truce with Austria to get to Vienna to

1034
00:53:52,420 --> 00:53:48,019
get the Spear of Destiny from the

1035
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:52,430
Habsburgs and they got that one and then

1036
00:53:55,329 --> 00:53:53,930
they wanted the Holy Grail the Ark of

1037
00:53:57,609 --> 00:53:55,339
the Covenant the whole thing you know

1038
00:54:00,099 --> 00:53:57,619
all those relics they wanted to have

1039
00:54:04,299 --> 00:54:00,109
them in wayvelsberg and then to use

1040
00:54:07,660 --> 00:54:04,309
their powers into world domination it

1041
00:54:10,450 --> 00:54:07,670
sounds mad if you sum it up but at that

1042
00:54:13,420 --> 00:54:10,460
time they believed in it you know yeah

1043
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:13,430
absolutely there was a conducting

1044
00:54:21,460 --> 00:54:16,010
you know a lot of rituals there in the

1045
00:54:23,650 --> 00:54:21,470
castle yeah and now I know if I my

1046
00:54:25,839 --> 00:54:23,660
memory serves me correctly which it may

1047
00:54:29,650 --> 00:54:25,849
or may not it seems to me like there was

1048
00:54:34,210 --> 00:54:29,660
a big round room in the castle where

1049
00:54:37,089 --> 00:54:34,220
they would perform these certain rituals

1050
00:54:39,309 --> 00:54:37,099
and things are you aware of that yeah I

1051
00:54:40,780 --> 00:54:39,319
don't know the details of it but it had

1052
00:54:44,589 --> 00:54:40,790
something to do with a fire in the

1053
00:54:49,780 --> 00:54:44,599
center and to call up on spirits that's

1054
00:54:51,609 --> 00:54:49,790
right that's right very strange now you

1055
00:54:55,540 --> 00:54:51,619
know what is what were they trying to

1056
00:54:59,650 --> 00:54:55,550
achieve just getting more power yep to

1057
00:55:05,859 --> 00:54:59,660
be invincible and that sort of takes me

1058
00:55:10,030 --> 00:55:05,869
back to your idea or that you know many

1059
00:55:12,370 --> 00:55:10,040
many people made their way into the area

1060
00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:12,380
of you know southwest France the

1061
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:15,200
Languedoc region all these different

1062
00:55:23,349 --> 00:55:18,650
philosophies and ancient peoples and you

1063
00:55:26,500 --> 00:55:23,359
know different beliefs and and things do

1064
00:55:28,780 --> 00:55:26,510
you think why do you think that was do

1065
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:28,790
you think that as some say that there is

1066
00:55:37,210 --> 00:55:33,170
some kind of extra power there tell your

1067
00:55:38,950 --> 00:55:37,220
recurrence ley lines is there something

1068
00:55:41,799 --> 00:55:38,960
that people feel that they're able to

1069
00:55:44,740 --> 00:55:41,809
harness well I think when you go back

1070
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:44,750
into history and you will find that this

1071
00:55:51,010 --> 00:55:48,290
place was one of the elevated places dry

1072
00:55:53,079 --> 00:55:51,020
and people lived here from prehistoric

1073
00:55:56,020 --> 00:55:53,089
times homework because it was higher

1074
00:56:00,579 --> 00:55:56,030
than the waters most of France was on

1075
00:56:05,349 --> 00:56:00,589
the water right and so the the Pyrenees

1076
00:56:07,839 --> 00:56:05,359
the Monte noir the the volcanic region

1077
00:56:11,770 --> 00:56:07,849
in the center those higher regions they

1078
00:56:15,970 --> 00:56:11,780
have been lived on for you know ten

1079
00:56:20,829 --> 00:56:15,980
thousands of years the people who live

1080
00:56:23,349 --> 00:56:20,839
here go back to 450,000 years so it's a

1081
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:23,359
long long time ago that done that we had

1082
00:56:27,390 --> 00:56:26,210
civilizations here and the earth is

1083
00:56:31,030 --> 00:56:27,400
quite fertile

1084
00:56:33,790 --> 00:56:31,040
lots of things are growing here and you

1085
00:56:37,090 --> 00:56:33,800
have a very very nice warm summer and

1086
00:56:39,130 --> 00:56:37,100
you have cold harsh winters when you go

1087
00:56:43,210 --> 00:56:39,140
a little bit more to the coast it'll

1088
00:56:44,380 --> 00:56:43,220
become a little bit softer and of course

1089
00:56:46,930 --> 00:56:44,390
you're at the other end of the

1090
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:46,940
Mediterranean the Mediterranean was a

1091
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:50,330
trade route all those people like the

1092
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:52,490
Phoenicians and the Greek in the Roman

1093
00:56:58,350 --> 00:56:55,850
they all came over the military nian and

1094
00:57:00,760 --> 00:56:58,360
they landed on these rich soil and

1095
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:00,770
especially the Phoenicians who were

1096
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:06,010
already dealing in iron they wanted to

1097
00:57:14,700 --> 00:57:11,330
discover the rich soil here in occitania

1098
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:14,710
because there were a lot of iron mines

1099
00:57:20,650 --> 00:57:17,930
also gold mines and silver mines so that

1100
00:57:22,900 --> 00:57:20,660
was wearing so they they started those

1101
00:57:27,150 --> 00:57:22,910
trade routes already in the early here

1102
00:57:30,940 --> 00:57:27,160
in the seventh century before Christ so

1103
00:57:33,250 --> 00:57:30,950
and then you have the Roman occupation

1104
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:33,260
and then of course you have all those

1105
00:57:39,460 --> 00:57:36,650
people fleeing to the languid or when

1106
00:57:42,550 --> 00:57:39,470
yet the other side of the Mediterranean

1107
00:57:45,070 --> 00:57:42,560
became a little bit too violent in the

1108
00:57:47,470 --> 00:57:45,080
first century for instance a lot of

1109
00:57:52,060 --> 00:57:47,480
violence in Israel and the other

1110
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:52,070
surrounding areas would make people flee

1111
00:57:59,380 --> 00:57:55,730
when you know this is a country of

1112
00:58:03,540 --> 00:57:59,390
refuge and with the refugees is the

1113
00:58:06,610 --> 00:58:03,550
refugees them still my time here so and

1114
00:58:09,790 --> 00:58:06,620
I'm not really one hundred percent here

1115
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:09,800
but you have refugees coming here and

1116
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:11,690
they bring their culture and they bring

1117
00:58:17,470 --> 00:58:13,730
their stuff they bring everything that

1118
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:17,480
is of value they bring that with them so

1119
00:58:24,060 --> 00:58:19,810
i think the languedoc-roussillon

1120
00:58:26,410 --> 00:58:24,070
especially that region the strip at the

1121
00:58:29,380 --> 00:58:26,420
mediterranean coast and a little bit

1122
00:58:33,250 --> 00:58:29,390
deeper into the intuitive attorneys you

1123
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:33,260
have this this beautiful area where lots

1124
00:58:38,350 --> 00:58:35,930
of people live everybody accepts another

1125
00:58:40,570 --> 00:58:38,360
you know no matter what religion a rule

1126
00:58:42,190 --> 00:58:40,580
or skin color or whatever

1127
00:58:44,140 --> 00:58:42,200
that doesn't matter so you have this

1128
00:58:46,750 --> 00:58:44,150
melting pot of cultures living

1129
00:58:49,210 --> 00:58:46,760
peacefully together and then you

1130
00:58:52,450 --> 00:58:49,220
exchange information you exchange what

1131
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:52,460
your beliefs are and you mix them all up

1132
00:58:58,210 --> 00:58:55,490
and also in the first century you have

1133
00:59:01,210 --> 00:58:58,220
Christianity in its purest form coming

1134
00:59:03,250 --> 00:59:01,220
over that's right I'm going to ask you

1135
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:03,260
to hold on for just a moment Jean if you

1136
00:59:06,370 --> 00:59:04,850
would please will you have to take

1137
00:59:09,630 --> 00:59:06,380
another break but we'll be right back

1138
00:59:44,299 --> 00:59:09,640
with Jean Todt and more on the mysteries

1139
00:59:50,159 --> 00:59:47,729
hello everyone Laurieann fenton here

1140
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1174
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01:01:43,580 --> 01:01:41,640
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1178
01:01:46,190 --> 01:01:43,590
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1179
01:01:49,010 --> 01:01:46,200
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1180
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:49,020
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1181
01:01:56,180 --> 01:01:53,610
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1182
01:02:35,870 --> 01:01:56,190
locked into inception radio network

1183
01:02:40,770 --> 01:02:38,760
welcome back to night vision radio thank

1184
01:02:44,099 --> 01:02:40,780
you for joining us and if you're just

1185
01:02:48,060 --> 01:02:44,109
joining us we are talking with author

1186
01:02:51,450 --> 01:02:48,070
Jean dote about her books want to give

1187
01:02:52,980 --> 01:02:51,460
out for website once again it's I'm

1188
01:02:58,530 --> 01:02:52,990
gonna let you give it this time in case

1189
01:03:07,370 --> 01:02:58,540
i misspell it again John okay it's j e a

1190
01:03:10,829 --> 01:03:07,380
and n ii d a 0 UT com jana dude calm

1191
01:03:13,620 --> 01:03:10,839
John Ahdoot oh I didn't know there was

1192
01:03:17,339 --> 01:03:13,630
an R in between this Jana is that's how

1193
01:03:19,380 --> 01:03:17,349
it's pronounced Jonah Jonah oh I feel

1194
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:19,390
mispronouncing it all evening I'm sorry

1195
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:22,810
how do we know Jean not a problem

1196
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:25,210
because it it depends on the on the

1197
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:28,530
dialect as well and here in the south

1198
01:03:36,660 --> 01:03:32,410
the month of August is not who but out

1199
01:03:40,140 --> 01:03:36,670
or would that's right though and engine

1200
01:03:42,690 --> 01:03:40,150
is you know you have the female and the

1201
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:42,700
male version so yes I'm as a male

1202
01:03:47,220 --> 01:03:44,770
version as younger it's really

1203
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:47,230
pronounced yamna when you're a female I

1204
01:03:53,970 --> 01:03:49,570
did not realize that so would it have

1205
01:03:56,940 --> 01:03:53,980
been to Jonah dark Jonna Jonna doc yeah

1206
01:03:59,849 --> 01:03:56,950
oh yeah you're talking about the patron

1207
01:04:03,540 --> 01:03:59,859
saint of France Joan of Arc that's right

1208
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:03,550
that's Jana doc and it it's the female

1209
01:04:09,390 --> 01:04:06,970
version but in the North they do tend to

1210
01:04:12,660 --> 01:04:09,400
swallow half of the words when they

1211
01:04:15,690 --> 01:04:12,670
pronounce it so when I going to Paris my

1212
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:15,700
French in in Paris's you know they can't

1213
01:04:21,390 --> 01:04:17,410
understand me and I you know I can't

1214
01:04:24,390 --> 01:04:21,400
understand them they know where you're

1215
01:04:25,859 --> 01:04:24,400
from when you go there a little bit you

1216
01:04:28,770 --> 01:04:25,869
know you pronounce almost the entire

1217
01:04:32,730 --> 01:04:28,780
ward here yeah you know we were talking

1218
01:04:36,660 --> 01:04:32,740
a lot in the previous hour about the

1219
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:36,670
sort of Nazi connection to boot the

1220
01:04:43,710 --> 01:04:39,130
research in southern France and the

1221
01:04:47,660 --> 01:04:43,720
mysteries in that area and wasn't there

1222
01:04:49,890 --> 01:04:47,670
an Egyptian connection as well

1223
01:04:53,730 --> 01:04:49,900
obviously with the Nazis they were after

1224
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:53,740
all kinds of ancient relics and things

1225
01:04:58,680 --> 01:04:56,650
but how does Egypt I into all this

1226
01:05:02,490 --> 01:04:58,690
because I know your last book the eye of

1227
01:05:04,589 --> 01:05:02,500
raw takes us to Egypt yes well you have

1228
01:05:07,170 --> 01:05:04,599
to go back to the source and if you

1229
01:05:10,859 --> 01:05:07,180
follow the snake and you know to the

1230
01:05:12,630 --> 01:05:10,869
source then it will get you to the to

1231
01:05:14,849 --> 01:05:12,640
the beginning of the hermetic teachings

1232
01:05:18,029 --> 01:05:14,859
where did the hermetic teachings begin

1233
01:05:20,849 --> 01:05:18,039
where did it start who started it and

1234
01:05:24,029 --> 01:05:20,859
then we go back to ancient Egypt because

1235
01:05:28,069 --> 01:05:24,039
in ancient Egypt you had the mysteries

1236
01:05:32,099 --> 01:05:28,079
of toast or two who d you have the

1237
01:05:34,740 --> 01:05:32,109
knowledge of the Emerald Tablet and the

1238
01:05:36,450 --> 01:05:34,750
hermetic Mystery School the Egyptian

1239
01:05:39,690 --> 01:05:36,460
mystery school that all the Greek

1240
01:05:42,390 --> 01:05:39,700
philosophers attended and they took that

1241
01:05:45,180 --> 01:05:42,400
back to Greece and then in Greece they

1242
01:05:47,430 --> 01:05:45,190
changed it to Hermes the knowledge of

1243
01:05:51,150 --> 01:05:47,440
Hermes and that's how you get the

1244
01:05:54,420 --> 01:05:51,160
hermetic teachings it's Egyptian mystery

1245
01:05:57,990 --> 01:05:54,430
school teaching and this is about nature

1246
01:06:01,049 --> 01:05:58,000
and understanding nature but both the

1247
01:06:03,210 --> 01:06:01,059
natural world the physical world as the

1248
01:06:06,450 --> 01:06:03,220
metaphysical world so you go into the

1249
01:06:08,690 --> 01:06:06,460
spiritual part and when you will all

1250
01:06:12,569 --> 01:06:08,700
probably remember Pythagoras and

1251
01:06:17,180 --> 01:06:12,579
Pythagoras and he is the one that

1252
01:06:21,660 --> 01:06:17,190
introduced the pentacle the pentacle as

1253
01:06:24,509 --> 01:06:21,670
the five-pointed star so he added to the

1254
01:06:28,559 --> 01:06:24,519
four elements water air earth and fire

1255
01:06:32,009 --> 01:06:28,569
he added spirit in the top so that was

1256
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:32,019
the fifth element spirit and if you find

1257
01:06:40,950 --> 01:06:35,650
a pentacle in within a circle then it is

1258
01:06:43,380 --> 01:06:40,960
the pentacle of Pythagoras hmm and in

1259
01:06:46,559 --> 01:06:43,390
the first century along with the Essenes

1260
01:06:49,079 --> 01:06:46,569
and other Gnostics you have the school

1261
01:06:52,730 --> 01:06:49,089
of Pythagoras coming also to the

1262
01:06:56,759 --> 01:06:52,740
language of Russia on to some trance and

1263
01:07:00,290 --> 01:06:56,769
they would be teaching each other one on

1264
01:07:03,540 --> 01:07:00,300
one so you have one student one teacher

1265
01:07:06,210 --> 01:07:03,550
and that is that is amazing you know

1266
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:06,220
because you have full attention the

1267
01:07:11,010 --> 01:07:08,290
teacher will be able to adapt to what

1268
01:07:13,050 --> 01:07:11,020
you can know so the whole thing about

1269
01:07:15,930 --> 01:07:13,060
you know the knowledge of the cars the

1270
01:07:18,750 --> 01:07:15,940
Essenes the teachings the hermetic

1271
01:07:22,020 --> 01:07:18,760
teachings it all has originated in Egypt

1272
01:07:27,930 --> 01:07:22,030
and it has originated in the courts of

1273
01:07:33,420 --> 01:07:27,940
the father of Akhenaten so you go back

1274
01:07:37,770 --> 01:07:33,430
to the 17th 18th century now the 14th

1275
01:07:40,490 --> 01:07:37,780
century BC to the 18th dynasty and I'm a

1276
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:40,500
noted third was the one who started the

1277
01:07:48,330 --> 01:07:44,770
the Egyptian mystery school and arc not

1278
01:07:50,700 --> 01:07:48,340
and continued it and of course we know X

1279
01:07:53,340 --> 01:07:50,710
Norton as the Pharaoh who wanted to go

1280
01:07:57,540 --> 01:07:53,350
back to the you know art and art and rah

1281
01:08:01,340 --> 01:07:57,550
and you demolish all the other gods and

1282
01:08:05,190 --> 01:08:01,350
goddesses and idols and he was the first

1283
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:05,200
monolithic Pharaoh and the only one

1284
01:08:12,540 --> 01:08:07,690
because after him they would get get

1285
01:08:14,300 --> 01:08:12,550
back to the multi deity worship so

1286
01:08:18,510 --> 01:08:14,310
Akhenaten is a very interesting person

1287
01:08:20,490 --> 01:08:18,520
because what was behind acknowledge what

1288
01:08:23,490 --> 01:08:20,500
made him think was it something that

1289
01:08:25,590 --> 01:08:23,500
happened in his family did he have a

1290
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:25,600
relationship with with somebody who

1291
01:08:32,550 --> 01:08:29,890
would inspire him to actually change the

1292
01:08:34,500 --> 01:08:32,560
entire religious system that had been

1293
01:08:38,220 --> 01:08:34,510
flourishing there for thousands of years

1294
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:38,230
before him it was a bold move and it was

1295
01:08:43,050 --> 01:08:41,170
a strong move but it was also violent

1296
01:08:45,480 --> 01:08:43,060
because you know nobody was allowed to

1297
01:08:49,079 --> 01:08:45,490
do anything else and he forced his

1298
01:08:53,039 --> 01:08:49,089
people to to worship only the art and

1299
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:53,049
rawness of course reminders Moses you

1300
01:08:57,530 --> 01:08:55,210
know with the Ten Commandments and

1301
01:09:00,230 --> 01:08:57,540
there's the 10 commandments of of

1302
01:09:02,340 --> 01:09:00,240
Akhenaten you have the stelae of

1303
01:09:06,210 --> 01:09:02,350
Akhenaten who says that you cannot

1304
01:09:08,130 --> 01:09:06,220
worship anything else and artha and he

1305
01:09:10,260 --> 01:09:08,140
can only be shaped and you know in the

1306
01:09:14,070 --> 01:09:10,270
shape of the sunny has no image he has

1307
01:09:16,410 --> 01:09:14,080
no face he has no representing

1308
01:09:18,870 --> 01:09:16,420
presentation like they were used to

1309
01:09:22,700 --> 01:09:18,880
under God's oath for instance was the

1310
01:09:25,530 --> 01:09:22,710
ibis and Horace you know the Falcon in

1311
01:09:27,870 --> 01:09:25,540
art and Rob did not haha you know you

1312
01:09:30,930 --> 01:09:27,880
were not supposed to make any images of

1313
01:09:33,480 --> 01:09:30,940
it which of course we know from Moses's

1314
01:09:34,980 --> 01:09:33,490
Ten Commandments there are lots of of

1315
01:09:38,490 --> 01:09:34,990
those things in the ten commandments

1316
01:09:41,790 --> 01:09:38,500
that are on the stelae and I'm in Amarna

1317
01:09:45,690 --> 01:09:41,800
in ARCA taught and the old city the old

1318
01:09:47,490 --> 01:09:45,700
capital of Akhenaten so I know a lot of

1319
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:47,500
people I mean there is that school of

1320
01:09:51,810 --> 01:09:49,690
thought that Akhenaten and Moses were

1321
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:51,820
one in the same and I think that's what

1322
01:09:56,700 --> 01:09:54,250
you're alluding to there is that there

1323
01:10:02,580 --> 01:09:56,710
are a lot of correlations that could be

1324
01:10:05,730 --> 01:10:02,590
made yeah I am exploring this in letting

1325
01:10:09,660 --> 01:10:05,740
my characters find out whether that is

1326
01:10:11,730 --> 01:10:09,670
true or not and so they go off back in

1327
01:10:14,460 --> 01:10:11,740
time and they they're going to find out

1328
01:10:16,710 --> 01:10:14,470
more about Akhenaten than what was going

1329
01:10:19,860 --> 01:10:16,720
on in the courts and so I'm trying to

1330
01:10:24,420 --> 01:10:19,870
make that ancient city of archetype and

1331
01:10:28,380 --> 01:10:24,430
come back to life in the book oh very

1332
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:28,390
nice very nice so we're going to give

1333
01:10:33,780 --> 01:10:30,930
out that website one more time before

1334
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:33,790
the end of the show we've got about 15

1335
01:10:41,700 --> 01:10:36,970
more minutes or so left in the hour but

1336
01:10:48,890 --> 01:10:41,710
if you'd like to take a look at Jonah's

1337
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:48,900
website then go to jaii a NN e d AO UT

1338
01:10:59,000 --> 01:10:53,170
calm and you can see her books white lie

1339
01:11:01,470 --> 01:10:59,010
and also the eye of raw right yeah and

1340
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:01,480
have a look at those you can order them

1341
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:04,690
there I think there are ways to order

1342
01:11:09,510 --> 01:11:06,850
from different locations that might be

1343
01:11:11,580 --> 01:11:09,520
better for you shipping wise so be sure

1344
01:11:15,570 --> 01:11:11,590
if you're in the United States to click

1345
01:11:17,460 --> 01:11:15,580
on that link and order from the one in

1346
01:11:19,440 --> 01:11:17,470
the united states that i think that's

1347
01:11:21,330 --> 01:11:19,450
going to be a lot better for everybody

1348
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:21,340
concerned as far as shipping and goes i

1349
01:11:26,870 --> 01:11:24,370
would imagine that's the reason and so

1350
01:11:33,180 --> 01:11:26,880
now I

1351
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:33,190
in you know and and I hate to I guess i

1352
01:11:38,959 --> 01:11:35,650
really don't hate to keep going back to

1353
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:38,969
southern France or southwest France but

1354
01:11:48,569 --> 01:11:42,449
you know I've always heard stories that

1355
01:11:52,950 --> 01:11:48,579
there were possibly Isis temples in the

1356
01:11:55,229 --> 01:11:52,960
region I've even heard that the Church

1357
01:11:56,489 --> 01:11:55,239
of Mary Magdalene as it used to be

1358
01:12:02,069 --> 01:11:56,499
called I'm not sure they're still

1359
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:02,079
calling at that in Rennes le Chateau was

1360
01:12:10,310 --> 01:12:06,489
built on a site of an Isis temple and I

1361
01:12:14,509 --> 01:12:10,320
do know that many churches were put on

1362
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:14,519
locations that have been pagan sites and

1363
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:17,530
there you know particular locations that

1364
01:12:21,839 --> 01:12:19,090
have to do with something about the

1365
01:12:26,279 --> 01:12:21,849
geometry of the area or the telluric

1366
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:26,289
currents that we mentioned earlier are

1367
01:12:32,700 --> 01:12:30,610
you aware of that connection and well if

1368
01:12:35,879 --> 01:12:32,710
you go into history the historical

1369
01:12:38,759 --> 01:12:35,889
accounts and there's no mentioning of an

1370
01:12:42,799 --> 01:12:38,769
Isis temple but there is a mentioning of

1371
01:12:46,189 --> 01:12:42,809
a possible Diana temple Oh No the whole

1372
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:46,199
hopefully the loader as you call it is

1373
01:12:57,060 --> 01:12:53,010
has been inhabited by the Romans and

1374
01:13:00,270 --> 01:12:57,070
they introduced the black Diana which is

1375
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:00,280
very very interesting I've seen an image

1376
01:13:08,310 --> 01:13:03,610
of statuette the statuette was a

1377
01:13:11,339 --> 01:13:08,320
container for oil and it's beautiful it

1378
01:13:15,239 --> 01:13:11,349
has it's completely black and her coat

1379
01:13:18,029 --> 01:13:15,249
is white so it's very double and she's a

1380
01:13:20,549 --> 01:13:18,039
black Diana she looks like a black

1381
01:13:23,759 --> 01:13:20,559
madonna but it said Diana so it's a

1382
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:23,769
Roman goddess and Diana was very very

1383
01:13:31,319 --> 01:13:27,130
popular here and you also had Artemis

1384
01:13:34,319 --> 01:13:31,329
and Athena here in the various periods

1385
01:13:35,729 --> 01:13:34,329
of the occupation like in the period

1386
01:13:38,939 --> 01:13:35,739
that the Greeks were here they would

1387
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:38,949
probably have introduced Athena and but

1388
01:13:41,669 --> 01:13:40,090
it's still all the mother

1389
01:13:44,930 --> 01:13:41,679
goddess it's always the mother goddess

1390
01:13:48,689 --> 01:13:44,940
that has in some way been represented

1391
01:13:53,220 --> 01:13:48,699
with a statuette a name attached to it

1392
01:13:55,740 --> 01:13:53,230
depending on who was here and Isis of

1393
01:13:58,890 --> 01:13:55,750
course is the only Egyptian goddess that

1394
01:14:02,580 --> 01:13:58,900
Romans accepted and she was very popular

1395
01:14:06,209 --> 01:14:02,590
and especially in the later first

1396
01:14:09,149 --> 01:14:06,219
century Isis was a very popular Egyptian

1397
01:14:11,700 --> 01:14:09,159
goddess for the Romans so when the

1398
01:14:15,810 --> 01:14:11,710
Romans were here some of them may have

1399
01:14:19,770 --> 01:14:15,820
brought Isis along with them whether

1400
01:14:23,910 --> 01:14:19,780
there are Isis temples is not proven

1401
01:14:27,390 --> 01:14:23,920
because the whole history here is known

1402
01:14:30,870 --> 01:14:27,400
and there are temples and they're almost

1403
01:14:34,470 --> 01:14:30,880
all the churches and yes all those

1404
01:14:36,570 --> 01:14:34,480
places are based on a telluric line on

1405
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:36,580
the ley line or a snake line as they

1406
01:14:44,879 --> 01:14:41,650
sometimes refer to them and but the name

1407
01:14:47,070 --> 01:14:44,889
Isis is not really known here it's diana

1408
01:14:50,910 --> 01:14:47,080
diana is very very popular here

1409
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:50,920
especially the black version and what do

1410
01:14:57,780 --> 01:14:54,489
you think the symbolism behind the black

1411
01:15:02,100 --> 01:14:57,790
version I mean I I sort of you know in

1412
01:15:05,339 --> 01:15:02,110
terms of a Black Madonna I I took that

1413
01:15:07,979 --> 01:15:05,349
to mean not necessarily someone who was

1414
01:15:11,250 --> 01:15:07,989
dark and skin color but more of a hidden

1415
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:11,260
mystery a hidden knowledge yeah is that

1416
01:15:16,919 --> 01:15:13,570
the same would you say the same in terms

1417
01:15:19,740 --> 01:15:16,929
of the black Diana yes absolutely you

1418
01:15:21,990 --> 01:15:19,750
have to whiten and the black goddess and

1419
01:15:24,390 --> 01:15:22,000
a black goddess is the goddess of the

1420
01:15:28,830 --> 01:15:24,400
earth that's why it's black fertile

1421
01:15:31,410 --> 01:15:28,840
earth black goddess is also the feminine

1422
01:15:33,629 --> 01:15:31,420
principle of gods so if you go to the

1423
01:15:36,209 --> 01:15:33,639
pillars of Solomon the temple of solomon

1424
01:15:39,540 --> 01:15:36,219
we have white and black boas and yo Keem

1425
01:15:42,450 --> 01:15:39,550
yes and then you have the black is the

1426
01:15:45,030 --> 01:15:42,460
feminine and the white is the masculine

1427
01:15:49,050 --> 01:15:45,040
and you have to see them as two

1428
01:15:51,209 --> 01:15:49,060
polarities within nature so you have the

1429
01:15:53,010 --> 01:15:51,219
vegetable world the world that you can

1430
01:15:53,890 --> 01:15:53,020
touch and feel and smell and everything

1431
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:53,900
we

1432
01:15:59,050 --> 01:15:56,570
your five senses and that's the black

1433
01:16:01,330 --> 01:15:59,060
that's the feminine the touchable world

1434
01:16:03,850 --> 01:16:01,340
the Earth's a material world and then

1435
01:16:05,950 --> 01:16:03,860
the white part that's the pasta larity

1436
01:16:08,260 --> 01:16:05,960
that is the divinity that makes

1437
01:16:11,590 --> 01:16:08,270
everything come to life the white lady

1438
01:16:14,500 --> 01:16:11,600
and she's within everything that lives

1439
01:16:18,340 --> 01:16:14,510
she is the battery that is in everything

1440
01:16:21,580 --> 01:16:18,350
that is alive on this planet and it's

1441
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:21,590
both parts of the mother goddess but

1442
01:16:31,390 --> 01:16:26,770
it's both also part of the masculine all

1443
01:16:35,860 --> 01:16:31,400
so that's how you get the Trinity you

1444
01:16:38,649 --> 01:16:35,870
see the all is the one with you know

1445
01:16:41,530 --> 01:16:38,659
that that has everything in it and then

1446
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:41,540
within the all you find the material

1447
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:43,850
world and within the material world you

1448
01:16:50,410 --> 01:16:48,290
find the all the prosperity the battery

1449
01:16:53,830 --> 01:16:50,420
that makes everything live so the women

1450
01:16:56,350 --> 01:16:53,840
without above below thing it's how many

1451
01:16:58,780 --> 01:16:56,360
teachings it's the basis of dodson this

1452
01:17:00,550 --> 01:16:58,790
is also what what has been thought by

1453
01:17:02,919 --> 01:17:00,560
the Egyptian mystery school and that's

1454
01:17:07,810 --> 01:17:02,929
why I've been writing about it and the I

1455
01:17:11,110 --> 01:17:07,820
of raw now why do you think you

1456
01:17:14,100 --> 01:17:11,120
mentioned earlier about Pythagoras at

1457
01:17:18,850 --> 01:17:14,110
about the 5-point star the pentacle and

1458
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:18,860
and how it encompasses you know the

1459
01:17:24,180 --> 01:17:21,770
natural world and of course spirit was

1460
01:17:28,300 --> 01:17:24,190
the was the fifth point that was added

1461
01:17:34,270 --> 01:17:28,310
the added element but why do you think

1462
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:34,280
it is that the natural world which we

1463
01:17:41,649 --> 01:17:39,050
see a lot in paganism in Wicca and other

1464
01:17:43,899 --> 01:17:41,659
and other pagan beliefs what do you

1465
01:17:48,010 --> 01:17:43,909
think that that has sort of been ignored

1466
01:17:50,350 --> 01:17:48,020
by the major world religions like

1467
01:17:55,450 --> 01:17:50,360
Christianity and I'm not as familiar

1468
01:17:59,229 --> 01:17:55,460
with Judaism or Islam but certainly

1469
01:18:02,260 --> 01:17:59,239
Christianity sort of ignores that

1470
01:18:05,010 --> 01:18:02,270
natural world you see it in Native

1471
01:18:08,430 --> 01:18:05,020
American beliefs a lot here in

1472
01:18:11,990 --> 01:18:08,440
America you know they very much are in

1473
01:18:14,490 --> 01:18:12,000
touch in touch with mother earth and and

1474
01:18:17,870 --> 01:18:14,500
everything on the earth or in the earth

1475
01:18:22,190 --> 01:18:17,880
so what do you think it was that

1476
01:18:25,950 --> 01:18:22,200
Christianity kind of opted out of that

1477
01:18:29,340 --> 01:18:25,960
it's the masculine you know um male

1478
01:18:31,980 --> 01:18:29,350
based society and the goddess was pushed

1479
01:18:34,950 --> 01:18:31,990
aside especially in Christianity and

1480
01:18:39,330 --> 01:18:34,960
Islam the goddess is pushed aside so the

1481
01:18:41,850 --> 01:18:39,340
whole and everything that humanity has

1482
01:18:43,470 --> 01:18:41,860
been growing up with like you have the

1483
01:18:47,610 --> 01:18:43,480
king and the Queen on the throne you

1484
01:18:50,610 --> 01:18:47,620
know and it's now only the king so this

1485
01:18:53,190 --> 01:18:50,620
is the wounded Fisher King story and in

1486
01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:53,200
search of the lost loved one this is the

1487
01:18:58,530 --> 01:18:56,050
fairy tale where the the feminine

1488
01:19:03,180 --> 01:18:58,540
principle is locked up in a tower this

1489
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:03,190
is where Eve get the Apple that is you

1490
01:19:07,770 --> 01:19:05,290
know symbol symbolized by the Apple for

1491
01:19:10,860 --> 01:19:07,780
Snow White and the feminine principle

1492
01:19:13,590 --> 01:19:10,870
has been pushed away and this is just

1493
01:19:15,750 --> 01:19:13,600
because it's a male based society and

1494
01:19:17,580 --> 01:19:15,760
the moment that we are balancing again

1495
01:19:20,220 --> 01:19:17,590
and you can see that in the Western roll

1496
01:19:24,210 --> 01:19:20,230
a bit you know the women and men are

1497
01:19:27,450 --> 01:19:24,220
more balanced and then suddenly you get

1498
01:19:30,230 --> 01:19:27,460
the Mary Magdalene and the mother

1499
01:19:34,610 --> 01:19:30,240
goddess you know it's coming back again

1500
01:19:37,470 --> 01:19:34,620
it's healing I think it's a wonderful

1501
01:19:39,450 --> 01:19:37,480
way and of course there's a lot of

1502
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:39,460
upheaval in the world but there's also a

1503
01:19:46,110 --> 01:19:41,290
lot of good things happening we were

1504
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:46,120
growing yeah I think so we were talking

1505
01:19:52,470 --> 01:19:49,570
about that last week on this show about

1506
01:19:55,110 --> 01:19:52,480
how we certainly are evolving you know

1507
01:19:58,820 --> 01:19:55,120
we're evolving scientifically we would

1508
01:20:02,580 --> 01:19:58,830
have to be certainly hopefully evolving

1509
01:20:11,090 --> 01:20:02,590
spiritually as well I think my goodness

1510
01:20:14,790 --> 01:20:11,100
I hope so yes now going back to your

1511
01:20:18,450 --> 01:20:14,800
your journeys you're researching and in

1512
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:20,910
you know I bet I know you've done a lot

1513
01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:23,530
of traveling and we're talking about

1514
01:20:29,450 --> 01:20:26,290
these areas that are charged with power

1515
01:20:32,300 --> 01:20:29,460
you know basically there's nothing

1516
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:32,310
strange about it or mysterious

1517
01:20:38,250 --> 01:20:34,210
necessarily it's scientifically

1518
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:38,260
quantifiable power electricity whatever

1519
01:20:44,250 --> 01:20:41,410
you want to call it now have you have

1520
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:44,260
you had experiences personally in any of

1521
01:20:51,450 --> 01:20:49,210
these areas yes I must admit that there

1522
01:20:54,300 --> 01:20:51,460
are a couple of places where meditation

1523
01:20:56,340 --> 01:20:54,310
was a lot easier that if I would be

1524
01:20:58,500 --> 01:20:56,350
sitting there for 20 minutes that you

1525
01:21:01,350 --> 01:20:58,510
know I'd almost feel as if I would pop

1526
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:01,360
out in another dimension some places are

1527
01:21:06,450 --> 01:21:03,610
really so strong that your

1528
01:21:09,300 --> 01:21:06,460
subconsciousness your it shuts down your

1529
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:09,310
left brain activity or more or less you

1530
01:21:15,950 --> 01:21:11,770
know not not really but more or less so

1531
01:21:20,340 --> 01:21:15,960
you your your mind is freed of thoughts

1532
01:21:23,070 --> 01:21:20,350
which is very very nice especially I can

1533
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:23,080
imagine that I'm the worst person for

1534
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:25,810
meditating because I can't shut my brain

1535
01:21:32,340 --> 01:21:29,290
off but maybe I need to go to one of

1536
01:21:36,930 --> 01:21:32,350
these locations I no one I can put your

1537
01:21:39,330 --> 01:21:36,940
somewhere okay it's actually it's there

1538
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:39,340
is also one in the knobs very very far

1539
01:21:44,610 --> 01:21:42,130
from Las Vegas which I really really

1540
01:21:46,590 --> 01:21:44,620
like so one of the yeah one of the

1541
01:21:50,670 --> 01:21:46,600
places in the Red Rock Canyon there's a

1542
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:50,680
sacred sites with the hand painting on

1543
01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:53,770
the wall and those rocks there are very

1544
01:21:59,940 --> 01:21:57,130
very powerful if you touch them and take

1545
01:22:03,270 --> 01:21:59,950
about 20 minutes to really relax and

1546
01:22:05,190 --> 01:22:03,280
it's it's an amazing place and I think

1547
01:22:07,229 --> 01:22:05,200
they're all over the world all over the

1548
01:22:10,459 --> 01:22:07,239
world you've got those places yes i

1549
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:10,469
agree i think so too i think you know

1550
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:12,850
the area where you live in southwest

1551
01:22:19,830 --> 01:22:16,770
France of course is an amazing area and

1552
01:22:22,170 --> 01:22:19,840
some of these things converge there to

1553
01:22:27,209 --> 01:22:22,180
make it an extremely powerful place and

1554
01:22:29,430 --> 01:22:27,219
as we were talking about the opposites

1555
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:29,440
the light and the dark it's all there

1556
01:22:32,250 --> 01:22:31,810
it's it you know you get you certainly

1557
01:22:36,470 --> 01:22:32,260
get

1558
01:22:40,710 --> 01:22:36,480
balance in the interplay between both

1559
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:40,720
but there are places I think lots of

1560
01:22:48,510 --> 01:22:43,690
places around the world that have those

1561
01:22:50,610 --> 01:22:48,520
same or similar elements and you know

1562
01:22:53,490 --> 01:22:50,620
some of them you know maybe in your own

1563
01:22:55,350 --> 01:22:53,500
backyard listeners so you know we've

1564
01:22:58,220 --> 01:22:55,360
been discovering some here in the United

1565
01:23:01,650 --> 01:22:58,230
States where you know it's not so easy

1566
01:23:04,170 --> 01:23:01,660
here in the US to jump on a plane and

1567
01:23:06,090 --> 01:23:04,180
fly to Europe if you're already in

1568
01:23:08,790 --> 01:23:06,100
Europe it's kind of easy to get from

1569
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:08,800
England to France or Germany to France

1570
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:12,610
or you know and get around that area but

1571
01:23:18,390 --> 01:23:15,850
here we're sort of isolated and not a

1572
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:18,400
lot of people have the advantage of

1573
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:21,850
being world travelers yeah so there are

1574
01:23:28,650 --> 01:23:25,090
places that you can find that you could

1575
01:23:31,260 --> 01:23:28,660
drive to I'm sure and seek them out for

1576
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:31,270
yourselves lots of good researchers are

1577
01:23:38,490 --> 01:23:34,570
working hard to locate these these

1578
01:23:41,310 --> 01:23:38,500
treasures in these these places and who

1579
01:23:44,730 --> 01:23:41,320
knows who you will meet there because

1580
01:23:48,780 --> 01:23:44,740
idols they are some sort of like places

1581
01:23:52,940 --> 01:23:48,790
that are made that way so that people of

1582
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:52,950
the same spirit can meet that's right I

1583
01:23:58,020 --> 01:23:55,810
tell you you know it's true i mean you

1584
01:24:01,190 --> 01:23:58,030
know I've been to France many times I

1585
01:24:04,230 --> 01:24:01,200
had the you know the good fortune to be

1586
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:04,240
you know doing work over there and so I

1587
01:24:14,460 --> 01:24:10,650
was able to go back a lot and if I never

1588
01:24:18,750 --> 01:24:14,470
ceased being amazed I'd who I would run

1589
01:24:20,700 --> 01:24:18,760
into when I get there and a lot of times

1590
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:20,710
I've run into people that I knew you

1591
01:24:26,490 --> 01:24:23,410
know and it just not planned you know

1592
01:24:30,570 --> 01:24:26,500
just be up and run with chateaux you

1593
01:24:33,420 --> 01:24:30,580
know in the in the Jordan and oh my gosh

1594
01:24:36,150 --> 01:24:33,430
they're so and so from Detroit you know

1595
01:24:38,250 --> 01:24:36,160
it's sitting across from me it's really

1596
01:24:39,750 --> 01:24:38,260
crazy but I think that you're right i

1597
01:24:43,230 --> 01:24:39,760
think you know there are certain places

1598
01:24:44,970 --> 01:24:43,240
that sort of call to you yeah yeah

1599
01:24:48,150 --> 01:24:44,980
certainly

1600
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:48,160
as I think it's the season yeah now I

1601
01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:52,890
know you know you're you know you're

1602
01:24:58,590 --> 01:24:55,690
done a nice book and the eye of raw you

1603
01:25:00,540 --> 01:24:58,600
did white line what are you is there

1604
01:25:04,410 --> 01:25:00,550
another book in the offing what are your

1605
01:25:09,290 --> 01:25:04,420
plans in the next couple of years I need

1606
01:25:12,150 --> 01:25:09,300
to you know put my roots in a little bit

1607
01:25:14,490 --> 01:25:12,160
I've just finished the eye of raw and

1608
01:25:17,910 --> 01:25:14,500
I've got a lot of catching up to do on

1609
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:17,920
my normal chores and it is the third

1610
01:25:23,670 --> 01:25:20,890
book is in my head it's what I want but

1611
01:25:26,390 --> 01:25:23,680
I have to dive into that and I'm going

1612
01:25:29,610 --> 01:25:26,400
back into pre story deep deep deep oh

1613
01:25:32,310 --> 01:25:29,620
I'm going to go back to the times of the

1614
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:32,320
drums and the wall paintings and the

1615
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:35,650
magic and and the mother goddess birth

1616
01:25:41,580 --> 01:25:38,650
of the mother goddess and um I need to

1617
01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:41,590
do more research to me you know I when I

1618
01:25:46,620 --> 01:25:43,090
write something down I want to be

1619
01:25:50,010 --> 01:25:46,630
certain of it and then I will wrap

1620
01:25:52,740 --> 01:25:50,020
around it the story the adventure story

1621
01:25:55,229 --> 01:25:52,750
line and that will usually come and the

1622
01:25:58,110 --> 01:25:55,239
eye of raw was birth very easy birth

1623
01:26:00,810 --> 01:25:58,120
because I had done the research very

1624
01:26:04,500 --> 01:26:00,820
very well already in my life because it

1625
01:26:07,440 --> 01:26:04,510
was one of my favorite topics so the

1626
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:07,450
story wrote itself it was an easy birth

1627
01:26:12,630 --> 01:26:11,170
and eyes yeah the third book will be an

1628
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:12,640
easy birth the moment that I've got all

1629
01:26:18,110 --> 01:26:15,130
my facts on paper then i can write the

1630
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:18,120
story around it will come it'll come out

1631
01:26:23,430 --> 01:26:21,370
well it's been so great having you were

1632
01:26:26,540 --> 01:26:23,440
right down to the final minute of the

1633
01:26:30,330 --> 01:26:26,550
show and i just want to thank you again

1634
01:26:33,330 --> 01:26:30,340
jean adduct for joining us even at this

1635
01:26:35,810 --> 01:26:33,340
ungodly hour for you i think it's now

1636
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:35,820
about what five o'clock in the morning

1637
01:26:39,930 --> 01:26:38,410
exactly but that's fine it was a

1638
01:26:42,180 --> 01:26:39,940
pleasure to be on the show thank you

1639
01:26:44,250 --> 01:26:42,190
well thank you so much and I want to

1640
01:26:46,250 --> 01:26:44,260
thank everybody who's listening and I

1641
01:26:50,020 --> 01:26:46,260
hope you'll join us again next week and

1642
01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:50,030
again our condolences go out to everyone

1643
01:26:56,170 --> 01:26:52,730
who had friends and loved ones on the